Episode 80
How Cigar is Made Affects How a Cigar Tastes | Box Press Shorts Ep. 80
The holy trinity of a cigar is its filler, binder and wrapper. All parts of a cigar work together to create handmade art that cigar smokers love. Hear how master blenders combine tobacco and techniques to make premium cigars taste so good.
Guest: Altadis Cigars’ National Education Manager and Smoke Tester, Travis Pappenheim
Boveda Box Hosts: Rob Gagner and Nate Beck
More with cigar smokers, Travis, Rob and Nate here:
1. What contributes to cigar flavors and tastes?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cErxW...
2. How Cigar Flavor Stimulates Memory https://youtu.be/ZgY7PtTlMu4
3. How to Taste Cigars—Using What's in Your House! https://youtu.be/_Tzvh_XcasQ
4. Should You Smell Your Cigar? https://youtu.be/hflfQBLokXQ
5. Going to a Cigar Lounge—What to Talk About https://youtu.be/AZFmCPlNF48
Learning How to Taste Cigars at a Higher Level https://youtu.be/qTmd4tzi_x4
Cigar talk highlights:
00:00 Cold open
00:03 How much of a cigar’s flavor comes from its the wrapper?
00:58 How do master blenders pick what tobacco to use in a cigar?
03:32 There’s a tobacco stem in my cigar—here’s why
04:06 What’s an entubado cigar and why you need to try one!
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Transcript
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Speaker:[Rob] How much of the wrapper plays an effect on the flavor?
Speaker:And you said 68%, but is that because the brands,
Speaker:like Altadis' brands like Romeo Y Julieta,
Speaker:Trinidad, Montecristo, the blenders blend that way?
Speaker:Because other blenders will say, "No, I put more effort
Speaker:into the binder flavor in this one or the filler.
Speaker:Actually, I use some different types of tobacco
Speaker:in the filler to really make this flavor come out.
Speaker:You know, the more bitterness
Speaker:or the more creaminess I wanted out of it."
Speaker:So is it just kind of like a rule of thumb
Speaker:that you guys are trying to do that, or-
Speaker:- [Travis] Really, that stat, that 60, it's 60 to 80%,
Speaker:not 68 specific percent.
Speaker:But that 60 to 80% is kind of the average
Speaker:amongst all blenders.
Speaker:When you have the wrapper, that should be your-
Speaker:It's typically gonna be your predominant.
Speaker:Now your binder can make a big influence
Speaker:if that's the way the chef,
Speaker:the master blender, wants to put that in with the blend.
Speaker:Sometimes they'll actually put in more concerted effort
Speaker:into the fillers.
Speaker:But the fillers, their real job is to add strength into it.
Speaker:So if you've got a wrapper with really big flavors,
Speaker:you're probably gonna want to bring in
Speaker:a little more of that strength level
Speaker:to help give it balance.
Speaker:But there's not always the case
Speaker:because sometimes we, a specific brand like Onyx,
Speaker:where it's a super dark cigar,
Speaker:but we make that to be a more of a mellow strength out of it
Speaker:because we don't need the strength to overpower it.
Speaker:We wanna keep that little bit lower
Speaker:to really highlight that nice rich chocolate
Speaker:and sherry notes that come out of that.
Speaker:So it's up to really the master blender
Speaker:on how they want to do it,
Speaker:and nobody knows their tobaccos better.
Speaker:Like a chef who's putting a dish together,
Speaker:he gets his raw products
Speaker:and he does his nurturing with all the ingredients
Speaker:and all the stuff that's going into that plate.
Speaker:When he creates that plate,
Speaker:and I could hand each one of us
Speaker:a filet mignon cut from the same tenderloin.
Speaker:That's that we all get the same thing.
Speaker:We just cut three pieces side by side, take it home.
Speaker:We're all gonna create this different unique-looking dish
Speaker:using our style, but it's still a filet.
Speaker:It's still tobacco.
Speaker:It's how do we go through the curing,
Speaker:fermenting, preparing, aging process
Speaker:with the tobaccos that we know that we're getting,
Speaker:how we do our grading.
Speaker:And there's little things that we all do a little different,
Speaker:but we're all creating the same.
Speaker:So is it a guaranteed rule of thumb, 60, 80%?
Speaker:No, it's kind of a guideline
Speaker:because even with us, the Habano wrapper,
Speaker:that's one where the fillers can actually influence it
Speaker:because there's a lot of complex flavors
Speaker:that come off of a Habano wrapper.
Speaker:Sometimes you want to tone down some flavors.
Speaker:Filler leaves can sometimes do that.
Speaker:They'll help tone down some of those.
Speaker:We want to highlight some of those,
Speaker:depending on what we're doing with it.
Speaker:And we do a lot with Habano.
Speaker:Most manufacturers do use a lot of Habano leaf now.
Speaker:And the need to kind of exchange and change
Speaker:to create all these different blends that we've got,
Speaker:well, they do that through the binder fillers.
Speaker:And that's one that can be highly manipulated.
Speaker:So that flavor could actually be in that 60, 80,
Speaker:but we're manipulating it.
Speaker:So is it a direct influence?
Speaker:Well, you might say it's more of a 50/50 now, as a direct
Speaker:because you're toning some down, highlighting others.
Speaker:So it really depends on the manufacturer
Speaker:and how they want to do it.
Speaker:- [Nate] Sure. - [Rob] Good.
Speaker:- [Travis] I've seen some manufacturers
Speaker:where they put some of the leaves in backwards or the stem.
Speaker:It's intentionally left in there,
Speaker:for those who didn't know that.
Speaker:But we leave those stems in there because they have
Speaker:a lot of nutrients can concentrate within that area.
Speaker:Well, they can reverse them, giving those big impacts
Speaker:of the flavor profile to hit at certain times.
Speaker:And maybe that's their way.
Speaker:Well, that is gonna create a different flavor,
Speaker:a more impact of the filler than the wrapper
Speaker:by doing certain times and hitting at certain areas.
Speaker:So every manufacturer may do a little bit different things.
Speaker:Construction on the interior, entubado,
Speaker:I don't know if you've talked about entubados yet.
Speaker:But most times the tobaccos and the fillers are rolled
Speaker:in an S shape or they're they're crinkled up
Speaker:like an accordion style. - [Nate] Like an accordion.
Speaker:- [Travis] And then they put the binder leaf
Speaker:around the outside.
Speaker:Well, there's other one called entubado,
Speaker:which is a very expensive way of rolling it
Speaker:because you think that roller,
Speaker:instead of just taking that leaf and going like this
Speaker:or grabbing that accordion and rolling it up,
Speaker:they have to take each leaf and roll it up
Speaker:in a tiny little straw.
Speaker:Hold it, grab the next leaf, roll it up
Speaker:in tiny little straw, break those off.
Speaker:So now let's say if you've got five leaves
Speaker:in the filler, break in half.
Speaker:Now you got 10 little straws all put together.
Speaker:Then lay them down on the binder,
Speaker:and then roll that up.
Speaker:- [Nate] Sure.
Speaker:- [Travis] We're gonna lose between 35 and 40%
Speaker:of their production
Speaker:by doing one that's entubado.
Speaker:- [Rob] Because it's not as fast. [Nate] Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:- [Travis] Correct, but the cigar is gonna smoke-
Speaker:- [Rob] Totally different.
Speaker:- [Nate] A lot longer.
Speaker:- Most people think it's gonna smoke fast.
Speaker:Most entubados, I can grab a toro, smoke it
Speaker:for an hour and 45 or an hour and a half.
Speaker:An entubado, toro, same size, same girth.
Speaker:I can smoke it for over two hours, two 15.
Speaker:But the flavors are intense.
Speaker:- [Nate] Sure.
Speaker:- [Travis] So if you see one that's entubado
Speaker:or it's labeled entubado
Speaker:I would say try it. - [Nate] Give it a whirl?
Speaker:- It's definitely different.
Speaker:- [Nate] Interesting. - It's definitely unique.
Speaker:- [Rob] Interesting.
